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Plotino - Tratado 52,4 (II, 3, 4) — Os astros não influenciados pelas configurações
quarta-feira 1º de junho de 2022, por
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4. Tampoco parece lógico afirmar que un planeta se llene de alegría al mirar a otro, en tanto éste se entristece. Por que, si así ocurriese, ¿no se originaría el odio entre ambos? ¿pero cuál sería el motivo? Pues es claro que si un planeta mira otro en la situación del tercer signo lo verá de manera diferente a si lo mirase en la situación del cuarto signo o, incluso, en situación contraria. Y, ¿por qué ha de verlo en la disposición antedicha, y en cambio se le ocultará llevándolo a la distancia de un signo? Otra cuestión esencial: ¿Cuál es la manera característica de actuar de los planetas? ¿Cómo actúa cada uno de ellos por separado, y cómo reúnen todas sus acciones para producir un efecto distinto de ellas? ¿Hay algún acuerdo entre los planetas para esa acción que en sobre nosotros, y cada uno cederá de lo suyo en beneficio de este acuerdo? ¿O será tal vez que unos se oponen a la acción de los otros y les impiden que otorguen sus dones? ¿O acaso les dejan camino libre y permiten que actúen, con pleno convencimiento de ello? Podríamos contemplar así a un planeta regocijándose en la región de otro planeta, y, por el contrarío, a este último entristeciéndose en la región del primero; pero ¿no sería esto como presentar dos personas que se aman entre sí y de una de las cuales se dice que ama a la otra, en tanto de la segunda se afirma, por el contrario, que odia a la primera?
Bouillet
[IV] Il n’est pas non plus raisonnable de prétendre que l’aspect d’une autre planète rend celle-ci joyeuse et celle-là triste. Quelle haine peut-il y avoir entre des astres? Quel en serait le sujet? Pourquoi seraient-ils dans un état différent quand ils se trouvent en aspect trine (τρίγωνος), ou en opposition, ou en quadrat (τετράγωνος)?[13] Pourquoi prétend-on qu’un astre en regarde un autre quand il est dans tel ou tel aspect, qu’il ne le regarde plus quand il est dans le signe suivant du zodiaque (κατὰ τὸ ἑξῆς ζῶδιον) et qu’il se trouve plus près de lui? Comment d’ailleurs les planètes produisent-elles les effets qu’on leur attribue? Comment chacune exerce-t-elle une action particulière? Comment toutes ensemble exercent-elles une action générale d’une autre nature? En effet, elles ne délibèrent pas entre elles pour exécuter ensuite sur nous ce qu’elles ont résolu, en cédant chacune quelque peu de son influence. L’une n’entrave pas l’action de l’autre avec violence, ne lui fait pas de concession par condescendance. Dire que l’une est joyeuse quand elle se trouve dans la maison de l’autre, et que l’autre est triste quand elle se trouve dans la maison de la première, c’est avancer une assertion semblable à celle d’une personne qui prétendrait que deux hommes sont unis par une amitié mutuelle, et que cependant l’un aime l’autre tandis que le second hait le premier.[14]
Guthrie
ABSURDITY OF "ASPECTS," AND "HOUSES."
4. Nor is it any more reasonable to assert that the aspect of one planet makes one joyous, or the other sad. What animosity could obtain betwixt the stars? What could be its reason? Why should their condition be different when they are in trine aspect, or in opposition, or in quadrature? What reason have we to suppose that one star regards the other when it is in some particular aspect to it, or that it no more regards it when it is in the next zodiacal sign, though thus really closer to it ?
Besides, what is the manner in which the planets exert the influence attributed to them? How does each exercise its own particular influence? How do they all, in combination, exert an influence that differs from this (particular influence) ? In fact, they do not hold deliberations to carry out their decisions on us, each of them yielding a little of its individual influence. The one does not violently hinder the action of the other, nor does it condescendingly make concessions to it. To say that the one is joyous when it is in the "house" of the other, and that the latter is sad when it is in "house" of the former, amounts to saying that two men are united by mutual friendship, though the former love the latter, while the latter hate the former.
MacKenna
4. It is again not in reason that a particular star should be gladdened by seeing this or that other while, in a second couple, such an aspect is distressing: what enmities can affect such beings? what causes of enmity can there be among them?
And why should there be any difference as a given star sees certain others from the corner of a triangle or in opposition or at the angle of a square?
Why, again, should it see its fellow from some one given position and yet, in the next Zodiacal figure, not see it, though the two are actually nearer?
And, the cardinal question; by what conceivable process could they affect what is attributed to them? How explain either the action of any single star independently or, still more perplexing, the effect of their combined intentions?
We cannot think of them entering into compromises, each renouncing something of its efficiency and their final action in our regard amounting to a concerted plan.
No one star would suppress the contribution of another, nor would star yield to star and shape its conduct under suasion.
As for the fancy that while one is glad when it enters another’s region, the second is vexed when in its turn it occupies the place of the first, surely this is like starting with the supposition of two friends and then going on to talk of one being attracted to the other who, however, abhors the first.
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